Stcw 2010

? ta ovo sve znači? Ja kao elektroničar s trogodi??njom srednjom neču moči ploviti kao brodski električar nego neki ?žnj (pomoćnik) električar i neču se ba?? moči unaprijediti i plača puno manja?

vi u danasnje vrime imate sricu da postoji pomorac.net, pa i ako se ne postigne nista, bar kroz ove postove ste bar pokazali sta mislite i imate se kome obratit....mnogi pomorci su 1999 pali bez ispaljenog metka kad im je preko noci ukinuto pravo na napredovanje dalje od drugog canika palube i 3rd eng bez vise pomorske skole...mi smo tada imali samo uhljebe iz SPH koji se nisu po ovom pitanju izjasnjavali, a i svjedoci smo da su podmetali nogu zajedno sa rijeckim pomorskim fakultetom i udrugom kapetana iz rijeke kad je bila rijec o alternativnom skolovanju koje je na srecu krenulo pocetkom ove godine....zato struje nedajte se preveslat, okupite se i neka se cuje vas glas...
 
vi u danasnje vrime imate sricu da postoji pomorac.net, pa i ako se ne postigne nista, bar kroz ove postove ste bar pokazali sta mislite i imate se kome obratit....mnogi pomorci su 1999 pali bez ispaljenog metka kad im je preko noci ukinuto pravo na napredovanje dalje od drugog canika palube i 3rd eng bez vise pomorske skole...mi smo tada imali samo uhljebe iz SPH koji se nisu po ovom pitanju izjasnjavali, a i svjedoci smo da su podmetali nogu zajedno sa rijeckim pomorskim fakultetom i udrugom kapetana iz rijeke kad je bila rijec o alternativnom skolovanju koje je na srecu krenulo pocetkom ove godine....zato struje nedajte se preveslat, okupite se i neka se cuje vas glas...

Okupit cemo se preko udruge koja je u radnoj komisiji i u startu izbiti ovo iz glava bilo koga ko ce donosit odluku o novim brevetima.

Samo sloga pomorca spašava !

A sve struje neka se pod hitno očituju o po ovom pitanju i njihovim prijedlozima kako dođi do breveta. Nema se šta čekat jer kad se dogodi pizdarija bit će kasno. Odmah treba naći zajednički prijedlog i preko UPH isti gurati.

A ne kasnije plakat.

Pa nije ovo ispivid pa obratio si se popu sad ajde u kafanu. Obratio sam se i ja pa niko ništa već 5 dana kad smo kod toga.. Moći ćemo otvorit jedan podforum Plačipičke u kojemu ćemo se mi okupljat kad bude plači i jauči ako odma u startu to ne riješimo..

A napisat ću par riči o ovom drugom boldanom u kancelariji da ostane među nama.Samo nek dođem iz Zagreba , da mi se zagrije još...
 
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pa dobro jel iko iz Udruge ko je bija u nekoj od radnih skupina ima ove dodatke na stcw konvenciju da se to posta i da se jasno vidi koji su propisani minimumi po konvenciji, jer ispod toga se sigurno nece ici jer ni ne moze, ali se neke stvari mozda mogu zaobici... ima i drugih pitanja, nije samo struja, ali struji je svakako kako zasad ispada najkriticnije... ajde bar da se to vidi kako stvarno je, bez nagadjanja.
 
Electro-Technical Officer (Reg. III/6) â?? NEW
Every electro-technical officer serving on a seagoing ship powered by main propulsion machinery of 750 kW
propulsion power or more shall hold a certificate of competency.
Every candidate for certification shall:
be not less than 18 years of age;
have completed not less than 12 months of combined workshop skills training and approved seagoing
service of which not less than 6 months will be seagoing service as part of an approved training programme
which meets the requirements of section A-III/6 of the STCW Code and is documented in an approved
training record book, or otherwise not less than 36 months of combined workshop skills training and
approved seagoing service of which not less than 30 months will be seagoing service in the engine
department;
have completed approved education and training and meet the standards of competence specified in section
A-III/6 of the STCW Code; and
meet the standards of competence specified in section A-VI/1, paragraph 2,section A-VI/2, paragraphs 1 to
4, section A-VI/3, paragraphs 1 to 4 and section A-VI/4, paragraphs 1 to 3 of the STCW Code.

Electro-Technical Officer (Reg. III/6) â?? NEW (Cont)
Every Party shall compare the standards of competence which it required of electrotechnical officers for certificates issued before 1 January 2012 with those specified
for the certificate in section A-III/6 of the STCW Code, and shall determine the need
for requiring those personnel to update their qualifications.
Seafarers may be considered by the Party to have met the requirements of this
regulation if they have served in a relevant capacity on board a ship for a period of
not less than 12 months within the last 60 months preceding the entry into force of
this regulation for that Party and meet the standards of competence specified in
section A-III/6 of the STCW Code.
Notwithstanding the above requirements of paragraph 1 to 4, a suitably qualified
person may be considered by a Party to be able to perform certain functions of
section A-III/6.

Electrical, electronic and control engineering at the operational level(Code A- III/6)
Monitor the operation of electrical, electronic and control systems
Monitor the operation of automatic control systems of propulsion and auxiliary machinery
Operate generators and distribution systems
Operate and maintain power systems in excess of 1,000 volts
Operate computers and computer networks on ships
Use English in written and oral form
Use internal communication systems

Maintenance and repair at the operational level (Code A- III/6)
Maintenance and repair of;
- electrical and electronic equipment
- automation and control systems of main propulsion and auxiliary machinery
- bridge navigation equipment and ship communication systems
- electrical, electronic and control systems of deck machinery and cargo-handling
equipment
- control systems of hotel equipment

Controlling the operation of the ship and care for persons on board at
operational level (Code A- III/6)
Ensure compliance with pollution-prevention requirements
Prevent, control and fight fire onboard
Operate life-saving appliances
Apply medical first aid onboard
Application of leadership and teamworking skills
Contribute to the safety of personnel and ship


Electro-Technical Ratings (Reg. III/7) â?? NEW
Every electro-technical rating serving on a seagoing ship powered by main
propulsion machinery of 750 kW propulsion power or more shall be duly certificated.
Every candidate for certification shall:
- be not less than 18 years of age;
- have completed approved seagoing service including not less than 12 months training and experience, or
- have completed approved training, including an approved period of seagoing service which shall not be less than 6 months;
or
- have qualifications that meet the technical competences in table A-III/7 and an approved period of seagoing service, which
shall not be less than 3 months; and
- meet the standard of competence specified in section A-III/7 of the STCW Code.

Electro-Technical Ratings (Reg. III/7) â?? NEW (Cont)
Every Party shall compare the standards of competence which it required of electrotechnical ratings for certificates issued before 1 January 2012 with those specified
for the certificate in section A-III/7 of the STCW Code, and shall determine the need,
if any, for requiring these personnel to update their qualifications.
Seafarers may be considered by the Party to have met the requirements of this
regulation if they have served in a relevant capacity on board a ship for a period of
not less than 12 months within the last 60 months preceding the entry into force of
this regulation for that Party and meet the standards of competence specified in
section A-III/7 of the STCW Code.
Notwithstanding the above requirements of paragraphs 1 to 4, a suitably qualified
person may be considered by a Party to be able to perform certain functions of
section A-III/7.

Electrical, electronic and control engineering at the support level (Code A- III/7)
Safe use of electrical equipment
Contribute to monitoring the operation of electrical systems and machinery
Use hand tools, electrical and electronic measurement equipment for fault finding,
maintenance and repair operations

Maintenance and repair at the support level (Code A- III/7)
Contribute to shipboard maintenance and repair
Contribute to the maintenance and repair of electrical systems and machinery
onboard

Controlling the operation of the ship and care for persons on board at the
support level (Code A- III/7)
Contribute to the handling of stores
Apply precautions and contribute to the prevention of pollution of the marine
environment
Apply occupational health and safety procedures

To je sve ??to sam ja uspjeo nači. Tu vam je link za cijeli file koji je u pdf-u.
http://www.dnv.lv/binaries/New IMO STCW Convention _tcm171-438064.pdf
 
zapravo san mislija na ovo IMO | STCW Convention and Code pa da se ima sve na jednon mistu za pogledat, ali ako mozes ispucaj sekcije A-VI/1 do A-VI/4 i A-III/6 te A- III/7 jer bez njih ne znas opet nista, meni je komp u neredu i na netu san priko linuxa nocas
 
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meni je komp u neredu i na netu san priko linuxa nocas

ali surfas lynx-om iz konzole ??? :)

a da se neko zaleti do kapetanije pitati konkretnije sto nasi planiraju po pitanju STCW 2010 i kako do breveta ETO ili ETR ... uvjeti i sto s ovima koji vec imaju HR brodski elektronicar/brodski elektricar, tj koji vec navegavaju i koji imaju zavrseno skolovanje (srednju/visu/fax) ... polaze li se kakav ispit itd itd ...

ja cu poc u 10-om zbog dozvole za barku pa ako ne bude guzve pitat cu
 
nije problem otic do Vinke odma sad, ako i ona uopce zna ista, ali nismo na pazaru pa cemo posto van ovo, a posto van ono, ima Udruga koja bi ipak to trebala obavit na formalan nacin, prvenstveno radi sebe...
 
nije problem otic do Vinke odma sad, ako i ona uopce zna ista, ali nismo na pazaru pa cemo posto van ovo, a posto van ono, ima Udruga koja bi ipak to trebala obavit na formalan nacin, prvenstveno radi sebe...

A Udruga ne spava zadnjih 10 dana zbog ovoga kritičnog pitanja :kafa
 
ma nema veze za udrugu, cuja san da su ljudi iz IMO-a kad su in preveli sta mi tu pisemo odma u panici dogovorili izvanrednu konferenciju za ispravke ovih nadopuna konvencije, navodno da bi se imala odrzat u lipnju 2012. u Chennaiu :kafa

evo i taj dokument od IMO-a, dodaci tj. code, ovako brzopotezno nisan vidija da je propisana razina obrazovanja vec samo sadrzaji, no u slucaju ako su oni samo na faksu to onda dodje na isto....

http://www.dohle-yachts.com/PDFs/STCW/STCWManilaPartsAB.aspx
 
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Section A-III/6
Mandatory minimum requirements for certification of electro-technical officers
Training

1 The education and training required by paragraph 2.3 of regulation III/6 shall include
training in electronic and electrical workshop skills relevant to the duties of electro-technical
officer.
Onboard training
2 Every candidate for certification as electro-technical officer shall follow an approved
programme of onboard training which:
.1 ensures that, during the required period of seagoing service, the candidate receives
systematic practical training and experience in the tasks, duties and
responsibilities of an electro-technical officer;
.2 is closely supervised and monitored by qualified and certificated officers aboard
the ships in which the approved seagoing service is performed; and
.3 is adequately documented in a training record book.
Standard of competence
3 Every candidate for certification as electro-technical officer shall be required to
demonstrate the ability to undertake the tasks, duties and responsibilities listed in column 1 of
table A-III/6.
4 The minimum knowledge, understanding and proficiency required for certification is
listed in column 2 of table A-III/6 and it shall take into account the guidance given in part B of
this Code.
5 Every candidate for certification shall be required to provide evidence of having achieved
the required standard of competence tabulated in columns 3 and 4 of table A-III/6.


Section A-III/7
Mandatory minimum requirements for certification of electro-technical rating
Standard of Competence
1 Every electro-technical rating serving on a seagoing ship powered by main propulsion
machinery of 750 kW propulsion power or more shall be required to demonstrate the competence
to perform the functions at the support level, as specified in column 1 of table A-III/7.
2 The minimum knowledge, understanding and proficiency required of an electro-technical
rating serving on a seagoing ship powered by main propulsion machinery of 750 kW propulsion
power or more is listed in column 2 of table A-III/7.
3 Every candidate for certification shall be required to provide evidence of having achieved
the required standard of competence in accordance with the methods for demonstrating
competence and the criteria for evaluating competence specified in columns 3 and 4 of
table A-III/7.

Opet nigdje nisam na??ao ni??ta vezano za to kakva je ??kola potrebna itd.
 
Pozdrav svima!:uzdravlje
Malo sam istraziva i zakljucak je. Nigdi se ne spominje kao uvjet srednja skola ili visa ili visoka. Uvjet je edukacija i trening(asistentura) koji zadovoljavaju uvjete A-iii/6. Jedini je problem sto ce vjerojatno nasi to prevest kao SSS za ETR i VSS za ETO. Uvjeti su na stranici:

http://www.morehod.ru/forum/download/file.php?id=4033&sid=8945f67d730b2d7d1a40e7d37712cb77

Evo ja ne stignem drkat zadnjih 4 dana koliko me ljudi kontaktira i koliko se dogovaramo i u startu borimo da do toga ne dođe.
 
Treba se bunit! A ako ne budu slušali i naprave to toliko krivo koliko se i bojimo onda revolucija pa ima da nas poslušaju! :D A valjda nisu toliko ludi ako nigdje ne piše da je potrebna viša itd. za ETO pa neče valjda za inat to napravit!
 
Dakle po ovome sta se moze naci na netu proizlazi sljedece:

1. Svi elektricari sta imaju bar 36 miseci navigacije ce bez problema dobiti ETO certifikat. (or otherwise not less than 36 months of combined workshop skills training and approved seagoing service of which not less than 30 months shall be seagoing service in the engine department)

2. Ostavlja se mogucnost nacionalnim tjelima da isti certifikat daju i onim elektricarima (bez obzira na stupanj obrazovanja) sta su u zadnjih 60 miseci (sad ili prije 01.01.2012. ili 60 miseci prije datuma od kad STCW10 stupa na snagu u toj zemlji) bili minimum 12 miseci na brodu svojstvu elektricara. (Seafarers may be considered by the Party to have met the requirements of this regulation if they have served in a relevant capacity on board a ship for a period of not less than 12 months within the last 60 months preceding the entry into force of this regulation for that Party and meet the standard of competence specified in section A-III/6 of the STCW Code)

3. Električari koji imaju vi??u i dobili su nacionalni certifikat Ships Electronics Engineer bi na osnovu paragrafa 3 (Every Party shall compare the standard of competence which it required of electro-technical officers for certificates issued before 1 January 2012 with those specified for the
certificate in section A-III/6 of the STCW Code, and shall determine the need for requiring those personnel to update their qualifications)
tribali automatski dobit ETO certifikat posto nastavni program na fakultetima pokriva sve navedeno u stupcu 2 tablice A III/6.

Ovo je po meni jasno i nikako na nista ispod ovoga u pregovorima ne bi tribalo pristat

Moj prijedlog sta se tice sivog podrucja i elektricara bez vise.
Elektricarima bez vise sa breveton Ships Electrician ostaje mogucnost dobivanja breveta ETO na osnovu stvari navedenih pod 1 ili 2. U slucaju da ne ispunjavaju uvjete pod 1 ili 2 ovog teksta MORA im se omogucit polaganje oficirskog ispita koji bi sadrzava provjeru znanja iz stupca 2 tablice AIII/6 bez da se moraju spustat na rank kadeta da bi prvo ispunili training book.

? ta se tiće toga kako će se stvari urediti za sve buduće električare nadan se da će se svima omogučit nakon 12 mjeseci kadeture izla?ženje na oficirski bez obzira na ??kolu s tim da bi mozda trebalo imati dva tipa ispita jedan za ljude sa visom (ipak su tri godine proveli na faksu i valjda naucili nesto) u kracem obliku jer su kroz vi??u polo?žili niz ispita kojima su dokazali znanje iz stupca 2 tablice AIII/6 i jedan opse?žniji kojim bi se polagalo kompletno "gradivo" iz stupca 2 tablice AIII/6.

Eto toliko od mene, nadam se da sam dobro razumija tekst konvencije a ako je netko neke stvari koje san navea pod 1, 2 i 3 razumija drugacije neka me slobodno ispravi....

P.S. Odma se ispričavan na nekori??tenju hrvatskih znakova Č? Ć??Đ u tekstu.....
 
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@Amater

To sto neki od nas nisu trenutno aktivni, ne znaci da ne pratimo forum i da te ne pratimo, ne pricaj i ne pisi nebuloze :kafa
 
@Amater

To sto neki od nas nisu trenutno aktivni, ne znaci da ne pratimo forum i da te ne pratimo, ne pricaj i ne pisi nebuloze :kafa

....odma me je oblija znoj i triba mi je guc kokakole zero da dodjen sebi... a sta se pracenja tice, jednon dijelu ljudi iz udruge pa i iz bratovstine san se i predstavija i upozna se i ko oce od vas znat koji san lako moze saznat, stojin iza svega sta napisen po forumu, od zajebancije do ozbiljnih tema, a ako imas sta specificno na umu samo ti reci.
 
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....odma me je oblija znoj i triba mi je guc kokakole zero da dodjen sebi... a sta se pracenja tice, jednon dijelu ljudi iz udruge pa i iz bratovstine san se i predstavija i upozna se i ko oce od vas znat koji san lako moze saznat, stojin iza svega sta napisen po forumu, od zajebancije do ozbiljnih tema, a ako imas sta specificno na umu samo ti reci.

Da sam te mislija trazit za spestat, vec bi te nasa i spesta, pises bez glave i repa, copy-paste onoga sto mi u UPH znamo a doznati moze svak da se potrudi, inace, ne bahati se, jer pametan si onoliko koliko ti Wikipedija i Google dozvoli, da ti se prekine internet, bio bi na relaciji North sea-Amater.

Sritno :kafa
 
Protiv Udruge ne da neman nista nego ne bi nikad ni prismrdija ovdi da je tako, dakle upravo suprotno, ali isto fala van lipa sta ste podlili to sta znate sa ostalima. Kad je covik priko foruma pita ovo lito sta ce bit sa brevetima od struje od nove godine spustilo mu je kajlu jer da ima u Hrvatskoj brevet za hr elektricara i da je to to, i to sam Dalmos. Ove ovce su komentar na Bilica koji je popizdija na kolege struje koje boli kurac sta ce bit sa njima, pa san zato to posta, jer nas Rvate opcenito boli kurac prije sisanja, triba san jos stavit i sliku di svako za se travu pase.
 
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